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Thinking about process lately, in art. I used to think I enjoyed the process of painting, applying paint to canvas, etc. The "process" part of art. Now, after reading Paul de Man :
www.press.jhu.edu/books/hop...e_man.html
and other theorists (although he may not like that title), I see the idea that the process of the painting can begin before it is even conceived (in it's total absence) or after it is "complete" and hanging in a gallery etc. As it is viewed, critiqued, a different process phase, or part of the process, and again, if it is even stored away, in it's absence it is influencing the world, so that is a different type of process.
Reading about immortality in terms of uploading our minds into computers at some point (hoping to hold on to our normal complex consciousness, I suppose) which should be interesting as we progress along that continuum (a genius scientist is still conscious but dumb as a rock) I was thinking of the idea of what constitutes the self: a writer or artist documents their life, memories, ideas and is just as immortal, in a sense, as anyone stuck in a computer. Maybe consciousness would be better, maybe not. Hopefully it won't be too hard to terminate in such a situation, if one is not too happy in a plain old quantum computer. Any thoughts Randy?
www.press.jhu.edu/books/hop...e_man.html
and other theorists (although he may not like that title), I see the idea that the process of the painting can begin before it is even conceived (in it's total absence) or after it is "complete" and hanging in a gallery etc. As it is viewed, critiqued, a different process phase, or part of the process, and again, if it is even stored away, in it's absence it is influencing the world, so that is a different type of process.
Reading about immortality in terms of uploading our minds into computers at some point (hoping to hold on to our normal complex consciousness, I suppose) which should be interesting as we progress along that continuum (a genius scientist is still conscious but dumb as a rock) I was thinking of the idea of what constitutes the self: a writer or artist documents their life, memories, ideas and is just as immortal, in a sense, as anyone stuck in a computer. Maybe consciousness would be better, maybe not. Hopefully it won't be too hard to terminate in such a situation, if one is not too happy in a plain old quantum computer. Any thoughts Randy?
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Re: process and immortality
Thu, August 19, 2004 - 1:13 PMTrying to escape death will also lead to escaping the real enjoyment of life. Living.
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Fri, August 20, 2004 - 6:03 AMWe argue. We have different opinions. We move on. -
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Fri, August 20, 2004 - 3:00 PMSounds pretty healthy.
I have had brushes with death ("the unknowing" negation in The Seventh Seal which I saw recently) in myself and others in various forms over the years, and I would not mind escaping it for as long as possible. But accepting it seems like a more Buddhist idea, and since the odds of escaping it are really slim, compared to the effort, I think I'd rather put my energy into making the most out of life, as you said. Defining ourselves in terms of our negation (an Other?) does not sound like a good idea. Of course we do, etc. -
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Mon, August 23, 2004 - 10:12 PMNot to mention, anybody w/ an Underworld depiction can't be all that bad :) -
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Tue, August 24, 2004 - 7:55 AMhot vampire babe + guns = sweet undead goodness
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Re: process and immortality
Thu, August 19, 2004 - 8:22 PMjohn berger is very good about art process, maybe he touched on this. www.johnkeyes.com/a/0679737...sight.html